Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". Thats all for this post. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Hoist by your own petard. She was wrongfully convicted.. And Patricia wasnt all edges. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. What evidence is there she actually left the state? I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. (Nope. Why isn't Patricia "Tissie" Said in jail for her role in this "honor I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. A correction to the comment above. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. False. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Alex Murdaugh found guilty of killing wife, son I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. Walmart woe. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Patricia Giddings pleads not guilty Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. "You knew how the If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Probably by the jeans and the boots. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Patty is my cousin. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. This is the most ridiculous take ever! Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. One on one? If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. Incriminating words. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. More hairs there. She took out the woman who replaced her. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Required fields are marked *. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. I do. I decided to just plead guilty to get it over with.. Both were deceased. Are you even aware there are judges, eminent writers, lawyers and TV personalities and countless other ordinary people all of whom steadfastly support her as being innocent and wrongly convicted. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. Why? And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. She hadn't lived long enough.". It seems so, according to you. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Search is on. I am sorry it ever happened at all.". How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. The women testified last week. Patricia is a evil monster. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Youll have to make do with what you see here. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! "It's been an honor and privilege to stand up and be an advocate for Sarah. Jerry Browns office. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. All rights reserved. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. We've received your submission. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Conflicting versions. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. What definition? Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. Patricia 'The Sparrow' Kopta found alive after decades WoW! Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. "I couldn't believe it," Blasczyk said of the crime. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. However, Said never called 911. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. This story has been shared 114,982 times. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. Or did they? She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Thank you Kerry. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Oh my God. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. 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The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? It was total shock. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. . And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Missouri's Governor Pardons The St. Louis Lawyers Who Waved Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. You took my family all in one night," she said. Patty Hearst Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? It was a very big shock to see to know that she was still alive. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. She should have received the death penalty imo. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? In April 2019, 69-year-old Patricia was found guilty of second-degree murder and the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. Patricia This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Former Most-Wanted Fugitive Accused in 2008 Honor Killings of Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. Have you read the book? I very much doubt you are. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. But none of those charges ever stuck. Murdering Mother Hidden Face of Honor Killing Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! I thought the same. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! According to Arletta Wright, Patricia needs to be driven because she has been legally blind since the age of 16. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. According to the autopsy report, Patricias husband, Jerome Scott, had only a few months to live because of a health problem involving a bloodless liver and pancreatic fibrosis. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. How so? you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. Arrest mother as accomplice in Texas honor killing | Fox News Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. The story of Patricia - The Vivid Faces of the Vanished | Facebook Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. According to the Charley Project, a missing persons database named after Charles Brewster Charley Ross, one of the first Americans kidnapped for a ransom in the nations history, Patricia Kopta went missing in June 1992 and was reported missing in November 1992. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. You know whats interesting? The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. The Dallas County jury returned a guilty verdict on Tuesday following about three hours of deliberations at the end of the six-day trial. Janet Marcelin, a business owner, said the police had her rehearse and record a fake confession after intimidating and harassing her during the investigation. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". 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Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with?